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Charles Pegge
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posted January 10, 2007 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles Pegge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>> Don't you tell me how to argue!

Is that a rhetorical device you are using there , Chris?


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ian mcallister
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posted January 11, 2007 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ian mcallister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you're all useless at arguing


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Charles Pegge
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posted January 11, 2007 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles Pegge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well how about this one:
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1998/argue.html

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ian mcallister
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posted January 12, 2007 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ian mcallister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh well thought someone was going to rise to the bait there

ian

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Chris Holbrook
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posted January 12, 2007 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chris Holbrook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ian mcallister:
Oh well thought someone was going to rise to the bait there

ian


There goes another rhetorical device! Damn! It got me!

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Charles Pegge
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posted January 12, 2007 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles Pegge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We could re-enact the Monty Python 'Argument Clinic'
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/argument.htm

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Michael Mattias
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posted January 12, 2007 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Mattias     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never need to argue because I'm always right.


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ian mcallister
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posted January 13, 2007 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ian mcallister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no you're not

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Charles Pegge
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posted January 13, 2007 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles Pegge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To all tickle brained varlots we offer a range of colorful Elizabethan
insults to beef up your Ad Hominem arguments.
http://www.museangel.net/insult.html

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Michael Mattias
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posted January 13, 2007 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael Mattias     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am so.

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Russ Srole
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posted January 13, 2007 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russ Srole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not

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Emil Menzel
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posted January 15, 2007 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emil Menzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>You could try RHETORIC, a perfect complement to logical argument

To this and the numerous other topics that have been mentioned
I would add PERSUASION, ADVERTISING, PROPAGANDA, LECTURING, PREACHING
and PROZELYTIZING. Some have somewhat a different set of rules and
protocol, especially if one aims at success. And that is still probably
just the start of the list.

How about LEADERSHIP, for example? One of my more memorable experiences
in my brief and inglorious military career was studying military manuals
and regulations to the point that I was able to write fairly fluently in
their style. I was egged on here by my captain, who was a draftee like
myself, and possessed of an equally weird sense of humor. My
"Announcement for a New Training School for Master Masturbators"
was one of his favorites. Unfortunately, we made
the mistake of posting it on the company bulletin board. We very soon
started to get volunteers asking (seriously) for the application form. We
tore down the posting before word of all this got to headquarters. My guess
was that the volunteers didn't know what the second M word meant, but that
somebody in regimental headquarters might.

That was about 53 years ago, in Korea. To be a bit more up-to-date, I quote
this morning's newspaper. There, George W. Bush says, about sending more troops
to Iraq, "... I have have made my decision. Now we are going to move forward."

Trust me, he might well get an "A" for that in officer's leadership training
school.

Of course, there he could have also added, "Them's my orders from higher up."

Since I was a mere Sergeant by the time I was discharged, and still a Private
at heart, I might well be thinking "Who's WE, Daddy-o?". Alternatively, I might
ponder the Chain of Command in our outfit. But say that aloud or, worse yet, in
print, and there might be hell to pay.

Hey, where am I? Is this the right thread, or have I wandered into other
the territories of politics or religion? Hadn't I better Withdraw this post?

But let's not get started on THERAPY or PENANCE. Just say I'm bushed by now,
and ready for a break... The first rule of communication is, of course, to know
your audience and the language they speak, and I'm still a "newbie" <smiley>
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Emil Menzel
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posted January 15, 2007 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emil Menzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and don't forget FILIBUSTER and PASSIVE RESISTANCE, especially if
you are from Alabama and it is Martin Luther King Day

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Emil Menzel
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posted January 15, 2007 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emil Menzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But do you know the difference between INQUISITION and RESEARCH?
More than a few college students have been bored to death by my
lectures on the latter topic, and tortured by my examinations.
The Analysis of Variance (a statistical method) was, for them,
as much fun as thumbscrews and the rack. I tried to get them to
read the classic book on "How to Lie with Statistics" but their
response was, of course, Will that raise my grade? I pray that
they have by now achieved salvation.
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Elias Montoya
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posted January 15, 2007 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elias Montoya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mattias:
I never need to argue because I'm always right.


You are kidding, right?

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