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Jim Padgett Member |
Are we still in the dark ages of programming computers? Shouldn't it be easier to write programs? What I mean is .. Isn't a loop a loop and a branch a branch and shouldn't it be just easier to make a pc do what you want it to do? ------------------ padgettjatcomcastdotnet IP: Logged |
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Charles Pegge Member |
The problem is dealing with complexity in very large systems. One solution is to leave all of the coding to the computer: which leaves you to define the task you wish to accomplish.
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Michael Mattias Member |
>which leaves you to define the task you wish to accomplish. Seems to me that's been the real 'choke point' for a very long time....... We don't need better computers or better computer languages. We need better programmers. Maybe if we could graduate more than 50% of our kids from high school actually performing at grade level we'd have a small start on this. (50% = Milwaukee Public Schools) MCM IP: Logged |
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Michael Mattias Member |
And to answer your question: NO, it should not be easier to write quality computer programs. Programming is a tough, demanding professional vocation, which pays well for a simple reason: Not everybody can do it. IP: Logged |
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Trevor Lane Member |
Michael, It is interesting to note that in Milwaukee only 50% of schoolkids leave school In Britain things are worse, now everybody is leaving school with qualifications Sounds great doesn't it? but what has happened over here is that the standards have We have got university graduates who are not able to read and write. At least you ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Michael Mattias Member |
>..50% And the self-described 'educationally enlightened' wonder why enrollment at MPS goes down while enrollment in 'choice' (taxpayer supported, parentally chosen, privately owned) schools goes up? IP: Logged |
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Theo Gottwald Member |
>Are we still in the dark ages of programming computers? >Shouldn't it be easier to write programs? If you want to make "Hi-Speed programms" (thats something tuned like a tuned sports car) If you are satisfied with anything thats just running, it may be a lot easier and you may not necessarily Everything is possible if your target is clear. Whats equal among whther you built a machine or a program, ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Charles Pegge Member |
3D computer games are probably the most complex and challenging of software projects. It is interesting to see how games developers cope with the demands of their craft. This eleven part article is comprehensive in its scope. It makes http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,594,00.asp ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Jim Padgett Member |
I was thinking more along the lines that since computers do repetitive tasks very fast, that it would seem that they should be able to program them selves given a method for telling them more simply what you want them to do...... I'm thinking about a programmers revision control system that works something Say I have a printed sheet of code... change 10 % of it and if I lay While this is easy to see as doing it physically it taxes my little mind as to Ergo a code rev system that is completely automatic, would store only actual code It just seems that since computers are so old ( in computer years ) that these ------------------ padgettjatcomcastdotnet IP: Logged |
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Michael Mattias Member |
> given a method for telling them more simply what you want them to do.. Aye, there's the rub. When kids can't ring up a sale and make change except by pushing the picture of the burger and the picture of the five-dollar bill, don't hold your breath waiting for them to tell a computer what they want it to do... IP: Logged |
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Trevor Lane Member |
Perhaps that was too simple an Analogy, is that not exactly what SourceSafe does? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Robert Wallace Member |
I woke up this morning with much the same thought (I was actually thinking about error coding where the error coding should two or three times the size of the application code). If someone designs a plane with 200 seats nobody tries to seat 201 I recently wrote a program to produce 500 single column pages. The Nobody would do that to a plane designer Bob ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Theo Gottwald Member |
Something like a genetic Algo? You just give the Startpoint and the Target. Then the Computer lets the program grow in diffrent directions. I think they use it in construction of car-parts and airplanes, While its thinkable, especially in optimizing programms "like in a wind-channel". ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Gene Warner Member |
withdrawn... [This message has been edited by Gene Warner (edited February 16, 2007).] IP: Logged |
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Donald Darden Member |
Along a similar line, when does improved technology make a real difference in result? Do better computers necessarily mean that we will end up with better programs? I don't think so, and I certainly can't think of a specific case to support this. Babe Ruth set a number of baseball records, which have since been Before the invention of photography, efforts were made to render A lot of people have access to digital and audio recorders, I think it should be clear by these examples that we cannot If Michaelangelo had access to a camera, would he have done more ------------------ IP: Logged |
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