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Charles Pegge Member	posted May 03, 2007 04:30 AM These creatures are highly skilled surgeons. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6614471.stm ------------------ www.pegge.net IP: Logged
Dave Stanton Member	posted May 03, 2007 04:52 AM Obviously, scientists can't be trusted, they are only after the grants. ------------------ Dave For a real Nightmare IP: Logged
Don Schullian Member	posted May 03, 2007 09:12 AM MRSA = Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus an antibiotic-resistant infection Gee, golly, gosh! Who'd'a thunk it! Use nature's own tools to clean-up the mess! Wow! Such a leap of science. Wait until they (re)discover: Spider's webs Ashes Clay from the bottom of a fresh flowing spring And about 1,001 other homeopathic* remedies *homeopathic = not yet discovered by 'science' ------------------ -- C'ya Don don at DASoftVSS dot com http://www.DASoftVSS.com I program better than those who program faster and faster than those who program better. IP: Logged
Eddy Van Esch Member	posted May 03, 2007 09:36 AM quote: Originally posted by Don Schullian: Spider's webs Which illness does this cure and how do you use it ? Kind regards ------------------ Eddy www.devotechs.com -- HIME Huge Integer Math and Encryption library-- [This message has been edited by Eddy Van Esch (edited May 03, 2007).] IP: Logged
Roy Cline Member	posted May 03, 2007 09:48 AM http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061009031730.htm Spider webs... ------------------ Roy Cline IP: Logged
Keith Waters Member	posted May 03, 2007 09:54 AM quote: Gee, golly, gosh! Who'd'a thunk it! Use nature's own tools to clean-up the mess! Wow! Such a leap of science. Wait until they (re)discover: Spider's webs Ashes Clay from the bottom of a fresh flowing spring And about 1,001 other homeopathic* remedies homeopathic = not yet discovered by 'science' Someone posts a link to a very interesting article and it’s met with cynicism and a mention of homeopathic remedies *homeopathic = pseudoscience confidence trick ------------------ IP: Logged
Steve Hutchesson Member	posted May 03, 2007 10:25 AM You can add colloidal silver to the list. An old treatment for a variety of things, you can ingest the wrong stuff and end up with a bluish tinge that never goes away but apparently if its the right stuff it has interesting characteristics. It is useful for healing burns, is used in water purification but it will kill a wide variety of antibiotic resistent drugs and apparently they don't become immune to it. It apparently works on golden staph very well. I recently got talked into olive leaf extract which is among other things supposed to have good anti-oxidant properties as well as scavenging free radicals but the main factor is I don't mind the taste and its easy enough to take. Regards, hutch at movsd dot com [This message has been edited by Steve Hutchesson (edited May 03, 2007).] IP: Logged
Eric Pearson Member	posted May 03, 2007 10:58 AM > homeopathic = not yet discovered by 'science' I guess it's a matter of how you look at it... Personally I find it difficult to believe that scientists have never gotten around to investigating spider webs, ashes, and clay from the bottom of a fresh flowing spring. > colloidal silver Many cases of argyria [silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs] occurred during the pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable manufacturers stopped producing them. The official drug guidebooks (United States Pharmacopeia and National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver products since 1975. Sounds to me like science discovered it already, and discarded it. Pretty cool about the maggots, though. -- Eric IP: Logged
Don Schullian Member	posted May 03, 2007 11:29 AM Keith, I get really upset about all these "discoveries" that cost some serious money when a little common sense applied to the field would yield the same results. Things like $50,000 to find out why the big nuts gravitate to the bottom of a can, ect. The fact that this outfit decided to use maggots to eat dead flesh isn't even close to cutting edge anything. If you've ever watched any of the medical TV series (E.R., Grey's Anatomy, House) even Hollywood knows about it! Eddie, Spider web, (fresh) ashes, and clean clay are all old remedies to stop bleeding. I used clay once when I got tangled in barbed wire. The Doctor, whose land I was working on, saw me and went slightly ballistic! After having some of the clay analyzed, however, he found it to be almost 100% anapestic. At least as good as most over-the-counter ointments. While we're at it: The inside pages of a news papers (unread) are sterile. As is dental floss. ------------------ -- C'ya Don don at DASoftVSS dot com http://www.DASoftVSS.com I program better than those who program faster and faster than those who program better. [This message has been edited by Don Schullian (edited May 03, 2007).] IP: Logged
Steve Hutchesson Member	posted May 03, 2007 11:33 AM Yes, The comments on colloidal silver are pretty well known but then silver has been around for a very long time in various forms so its effects are also well known. From bothering to read around the area for a while if you do it incorrectly using the wrong compounds you get the staining which is apparently worse on sun exposed areas of the skin (you act like a big photographic plate) but apparently if it is done correctly with pure enough water to avoid the silver salts it works fine. It seems to have a place where anti-biotics are failing due to resistent bacterial strains and it has none of the side effects of powerful anti-biotics. Apparently it has no peers in the treatment of burns. Regards, hutch at movsd dot com ------------------ IP: Logged
David J Walker Member	posted May 03, 2007 12:25 PM >>Apparently it has no peers in the treatment of burns.<< Except urine. ------------------ IP: Logged
Keith Waters Member	posted May 03, 2007 12:31 PM Don I, as a lot of other people, knew about maggots being used to clear dead flesh from wounds – as you say that’s old hat, but the article is about (quote): “We have demonstrated for the first time the potential of larval therapy to eliminate MRSA infection of diabetic foot ulcers.” A first demonstration of an old technique for a new specific purpose is to be valued and applauded, in my opinion. Maybe others had talked about doing this specific thing before but these guys actually did it. By the way, I never watch any (fictional) medical TV series. Keith ------------------ IP: Logged
Eric Pearson Member	posted May 03, 2007 12:48 PM National Institutes of Health: Reviews in the scientific literature on colloidal silver products have concluded that: Silver has no known function in the body. Silver is not an essential mineral supplement or a cure-all and should not be promoted as such. Claims that there can be a "deficiency" of silver in the body and that such a deficiency can lead to disease are unfounded. Claims made about the effectiveness of colloidal silver products for numerous diseases are unsupported scientifically. Colloidal silver products can have serious side effects (discussed further below). Laboratory analysis has shown that the amounts of silver in supplements vary greatly, which can pose risks to the consumer. U.S. Food and Drug Administration: The FDA issued a final rule, effective September 16, 1999, finding and establishing that all OTC drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts for internal or external use are not generally recognized as safe and effective. -- Eric IP: Logged
Robert DeBolt Member	posted May 03, 2007 01:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Don Schullian: MRSA = Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus an antibiotic-resistant infection I contracted this infection in my lungs a year ago when I went to hospital for two stents(a minor procedure). Spent six weeks in rehab taking breathing treatments every four hours. It was definitely not fun. ------------------ Regards, Bob -------- Composed with EZ-Post! IP: Logged
Charles Pegge Member	posted May 03, 2007 02:14 PM Another article with a broader context, which also discusses the modern medical uses of leeches. (Unfortunately the maggots would not have been much use with Robert's Lung infection.) http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2003/july/leech.htm ------------------ www.pegge.net IP: Logged

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