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Old Jul 12th, 2007, 05:23 AM
Theo Gottwald Theo Gottwald is offline
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Dr. Zobin cure's Heroin-Dissease with just two injections!

You may think "He's for shure a new wonder-doctor from USA!"

But Dr. Zobin is not from USA. While his cure is a child of the russian Afghanistan war.
Maybe the only thing that can be seen as a good leftover of ANY Afghanistan war (some Soldier's children taken aside).

While the russian Afghanistan war, MANY SOLDIERS returned HEROIN addicted home.
The problem was that big, that the russian gouvernment hat to make something against it.

As a result russian scientist found a method, to REMOVE HEROIN ADDICTION with just two injections!

Maybe you think "he must be crazy, that doesn't work!"
Then read this:
http://www.zobin-ch.com/
http://www.zobin-ch.com/pdf/1/Die_Ze...006-14-186.pdf

Somehow Dr. Zobin establishes a Oversensibility on Morphin in the brain ofthe patient,
thereafter they are absolutely healed and not more interested in any Heroin.

There is another Upside of the Method:
While normal Heroin addicted people failing to stop taking Drugs die in a percentage of 4% per year, those who have used the Method from Dr. Zobin have a much higher survival rate!

Means: Drug Addicted which are been given Morphines agtain AFTER beeing treated by Dr. Zobin have no survival chance because of the oversensibility.
Anyway as there is no interest in Morphines, the survival rate is much better then in ANY OTHER method, and the best:
NO PAIN, NO LONG CURE. Two injections - that all.

I really want to see, what the drug-bosses will do through their lobbyist now,
against this clear victory of science against Evil.

Which could really make their bussiness harder.




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Old Jul 12th, 2007, 09:09 AM
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As a result russian scientist found a method, to REMOVE HEROIN ADDICTION with just two injections
And I get email from Russian web sites promising me my choice of gorgeous brides.

I won't even mention the emails from Nigeria.

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Old Jul 12th, 2007, 09:54 AM
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As a result russian scientist found a method, to REMOVE HEROIN ADDICTION with just two injections!
To paraphrase a /. meme: "In Soviet Russia heroin addcition removes you." ;-)



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Old Jul 12th, 2007, 09:57 AM
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Hehe ... I di not mean "he removes Heroin addicted people (with two injections)."

But what he's actually doing, he is giving them two injections, and thereafter the ADDICTIION is GONE.
There is no more interest in any sorts of morphine.

Is here anyone who wants to bet this really works?


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Old Jul 12th, 2007, 02:54 PM
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...thereafter the ADDICTIION is GONE. There is no more interest in any sorts of morphine.
Yup, just like the 2 million other phony attempts to con people of this same "miracle". Anyone who believes this has never dealt with the reality of addiction. There is "no magic bullet", and this is no more a con than all the other's who have tried it before.
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Is here anyone who wants to bet this really works?
Any time, any place, any amount.




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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 10:04 AM
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Ok, Joe.
Sent me your mailadress, I'll make them sent you all necessary informations.
You should not run into something until you know more.

Bad luck for you the link is pure german. http://www.zobin-ch.com/index.php?op...id=7&Itemid=27

But I am sure they have something in english.

My advantage is that I have seen a "live-Test" in the german TV.

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 12:21 PM
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My advantage is that I have seen a "live-Test" in the german TV.
Oh, well, Seen it on TV, huh? Then it must be real!

Sorry Theo, but I've seen enough of this BS in my life that I don't need to waste any time on it. If anyone ever does "discover" a method like this, then it will be huge news, drug companies will fall all over themselves to get the exclusive rights to it, even the loony-left news media will be all over it. Short of the second coming, people will hear about it fast and wide.


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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 04:16 PM
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why not?

why couldn't something work to block the receptors to a specific chemical?

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 04:51 PM
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I don't think it's all about receptors or medical aspects in general, even though many doctors put it like that. IMO the problem isn't to be able to stop taking the drug, but to be able to not restart after a few months.

While different substances certainly cause very different levels of addiction, I think the problem is basically psychological. The addiction mechanism seems me to be the same for which, for example, so many people would give an arm to be able to stop eating sweetmeat or fats but they just can't, even when the doctor ordered them to stop.

I didn't look at the info about this cure but it really sounds BS to me too.

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 05:01 PM
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I know very many heroin addicts, it's not a psychological addiction,

psychi can help fight off the pain, but the addiction is purely physical

almost all heroin addicts want to quit, and wish they never started, it just that
their body undergos extreme pain if they don't have that fix, the fun from it all
disappeared after their 5th to 10th high

on the other hand cocaine is imo, more a psycological beast
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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 05:20 PM
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Yes, I know that abstinence causes physical pain to the addicts, but IMO the desire to fix the pain isn't the reason why they can't quit the drug.

The physical pain due to abstinence doesn't go on for months, it lasts just a few days, maybe weeks, and many addicts are able to go past it, nonetheless most of them do restart after a while.

I agree that heroin is one of the drugs which give more physical pain during abstinence, and maybe that cure can help to go past the short period of physical pain due to abstinence, but I'm convinced that reaching that stage doesn't mean end of addiction at all, and I definitely think that the base of all addictions is psychological

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 09:53 PM
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Coming up on my 18th year of clean and sober, I can assure you that Davide is not far off. There have been numerous studies that show a distinct difference in the way an addicts body responds to different chemicals and how it reacts physically, but what eludes science still is the physiological component that causes the cravings years, even decades later.

I don't "suffer" any longer. I don't even think about it much (perhaps a fleeting thought ever 300 days or so....), but I know for fact that if I decided to take even one drink, the whole cycle would start over and I'd be pretty powerless to control it.

There is no "fix" except to get to the point of choosing not to take anything that alters the mind. Nothing. That is the only method, past, present, and future.


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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 10:23 PM
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hmmm, not true

this process is clearly understood, the brain emits many different chemicals
that balance emotion, enjoyment etc. can't remember the exact terms, but I'll give it a shot,

receptors that transmit certain chemicals are located at the end of the specific nerve endings,
and they allow the chemicals to pass through the cells, now certain drugs will block that transmission
one way or the other, so in the case of heroin, (a chemical)?name? which blocks the body's nerve system
relating to feeling is blocked from returning to it's storage space in the nerve cell and is retransmitted
throughout the body, then the body creates another chemical to try to balance out, anyway, after a while (and the
case for all drug abuse) these receptors gets damaged and increase of dosage is needed,

I know that that was a sloppy description, but I skimmed reports on this pretty in depth, most of this came from
the human genome mapping, where they actually watched the process with electron microscope, anyway,

anyway, these addictions are far more physical than psychical, sure, psychi had play in it why anyone would venture
down the road to begin with, and can help enormously in overcoming withdrawal, but it's still physical, and once receptors
are damaged they believe that repair is slim, so mind over matter is a powerful aide!

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 10:25 PM
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duplicate

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Old Jul 14th, 2007, 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Davide Vecchi:

The physical pain due to abstinence doesn't go on for months, it lasts just a few days, maybe weeks, and many addicts are able to go past it, nonetheless most of them do restart after a while.

not really true, Davide, true the initial withdrawal from heroin usually only lasts 2-3 days, but the void (the feeling that the body in not there) and lessor pain, lasts for years, I personally
have known over a 100 heroin addicts, most of whom have quit numerous times, and most return to the needle, and most die eventually after they lose limbs and bones etc.

I know that there are many people here who think that everything in the US is all peaches & creme! truth is, go into any major city in the US and **WALK** the alleys and abandoned buildings, and you
will see what is real! the TV and print won't show it



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